Response to Catherine O.

So, with time, did these images cease being propaganda and become art? Are they history? I am not sure whether art has to be created with intention or not, but if it doesn't, then it very well could be art. However, can something be propaganda and art at the same time?

 

I believe it is always important in arguments to establish a common deffinitions of the primary terms of the discussion so that we always discuss relevant subject matter. I belive we did this with art and propaganda.

 

Art was broadly defined as the poesis, or "making" anything that we make for aesthetic and other emotive and or informative reasons.  

 

and propaganda, as Catherine said, simply dececptive poesis that incites a reaction desirable to the propagators of the propganda.

 

I agree with her in that we probably should consider these propagandish pieces as art work and propaganda, however, I do believe she raises a most interesting point on the matter of the re-adoption of this propagandic art.

 

Does the propagandish affects change from pure propaganda to art, and or to history because the purchaser is using the art for a different purpose?

 

In some sense we can subjectively make the argument it is propganda, contrary it be argued that is it history and or art devoid of past propagandic qualities.

 

If a U.S. military-buff pro-american imperialism, anti-rights for various groups of people, or anything else that denotes a deformed charcter, if one of these people get a hold of the art and celebrate this, if their intent is to spread a feeling of negativity toward Germans ( in this case), to convince others such deception if useful during war times, or really anything besides keeping it to warn of the dangers of imperialism and misinformation, than which that kind of bad intent I would consider it still propagandish.

 

The flip slide of the intent motive would be a peaceful, open-minded well-meaning person adopted the propaganda as part of an educational lesson or exhibit to show the dangers and horrors of centralized power, imperialism, and lies. This person with good intent, I believe, just transform the Propagandic art into historical art in the context that the art would know work to open minds and learn valuable lessons rather than emotively steer us into a cognitive ditch as so many people are steered into.